tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1259981379968385023.post8312645274541945766..comments2023-11-05T04:30:07.720-08:00Comments on Pakistani Atheist: Evolution of MoralityHazrat NaKhudahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11004881985056039388noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1259981379968385023.post-39242500970858101132016-07-07T15:50:00.335-07:002016-07-07T15:50:00.335-07:00An athiest is his own God. He can choose between r...An athiest is his own God. He can choose between right and wrong, good and evil. He commands himself. He gets smarter by experience and not by pre set rules by the unseen who never listens to but only orders.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02932426272540858264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1259981379968385023.post-51024440661464581002011-09-19T04:32:17.405-07:002011-09-19T04:32:17.405-07:00@Kunwar Women rights, were not indoctrinated by a ...@Kunwar Women rights, were not indoctrinated by a religious trainer. Abolishing Slavery was not a religious indoctrination. Rights for Gays and homosexuals was not by a religious trainer. <br /><br />You gave the example of what you call modern day slavery. Well to put it simply you can choose to quit one fine day if you want and choose a different job. <br /><br />Let me give you a few examples of "religious moral" indoctrination, Kill those who leave religion, It is ok to marry a 6 year old, It is ok to kill the father and brothers of a family and sleep with the daughter in the night after winning her over as war-booty. Giving her the choice either marry me or just be my slave girl.Hazrat NaKhudahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11004881985056039388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1259981379968385023.post-18467140439438451652011-09-19T04:26:23.881-07:002011-09-19T04:26:23.881-07:00@Fatat
Your comment was a general statement of yo...@Fatat<br /><br />Your comment was a general statement of your own insecurities, without backing up from any shred of logic or evidence. <br /><br />"if they can't even see the signs of God around them, which a child can recognize so easily"<br /><br />Can you tell me the signs of this so called God of yours.Hazrat NaKhudahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11004881985056039388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1259981379968385023.post-29510990676196889742011-09-09T00:55:15.321-07:002011-09-09T00:55:15.321-07:00you can't depend on the so called common sense...you can't depend on the so called common sense when it comes to morals because morality is relative! u cannot have objective morality without God! if Atheists feel that its moral to defy the One who keeps them in good health and shape day in and day out, people who recognize an absolute Creator don't think believe so.. i suggest that the Atheists out of everybody else should not try to talk about the development of human intellect if they can't even see the signs of God around them, which a child can recognize so easily.. Without being in control of even their own lives, they can hardly aspire to anything else!Fatat-Al-islamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02881115194760459559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1259981379968385023.post-88254890754716629342011-08-14T05:38:32.737-07:002011-08-14T05:38:32.737-07:00I find it surprising. Really surprising. It-Makes-...I find it surprising. Really surprising. It-Makes-Sense is fine but you didn't bother to see where did that it-makes-sense come from?<br /><br />Let me quote you an example. There is a kid who was born in some psychotic family. The parents teach him how to kill someone and they put him to practice it on animals first and then, humans. Would he feel any pain while killing a human? No, because he has been trained to do that. So I find it hard that atheists get this sense innately. They get trained by people who believe in religion or they are surrounded by people who believe in religion so that soft corner that you have for humans is biased and relative. It can't be absolute. So, the sense which you have mentioned, is the result of training that you get. <br /><br />Lastly, humans used to eat 1000 years ago, they still do. Not everything changes and not every change is a positive change. We buy services of other humans but do not declare them slaves as it is a bad word. In the past, people used to have slaves and in return the slaves used to get food and shelter. Just like now, some bosses were great and some were lame in the past. Democracy is overrated so I won't comment about women right to vote.<br /><br />My point is, the sense that anyone has, is the outcome of active and passive training that he gets.this sense Can be a moral one or an insane one. Depends who the trainer is!Kunwar Alihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04258479866551386195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1259981379968385023.post-20238997282690947772011-03-04T18:42:23.702-08:002011-03-04T18:42:23.702-08:00in spite of religions claiming they impart moral l...in spite of religions claiming they impart moral living in the subjects, studies show quite the opposite, like the one in american jails, which showed that atheists, being 10% of american society are only 0.25% of american jail inmates. it means atheists are more likely to be moral and ethical, and theists to be devoid of these values. <br /><br />Theists consider their belief to offer them some kind of protection. in Gandhi's autobiography, his christian friends in south africa ask him, if his religion offers him any protection from his sins. For them, the religion is just a licence to freak out.<br /><br />For the powerful, religion is a tool to reinforce submission and loyalty in their gullible people. they evoke religious morality, to suppress any revolting tendencies.praveen gopinathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11224339003314748060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1259981379968385023.post-54325071657710884342010-09-06T22:48:56.441-07:002010-09-06T22:48:56.441-07:00well wtitten artical.i also have same thoughts.well wtitten artical.i also have same thoughts.ramrajputhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09397670927644578433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1259981379968385023.post-29286406661671654392010-09-06T22:44:46.265-07:002010-09-06T22:44:46.265-07:00well wtitten artical!i also have same thoughts.well wtitten artical!i also have same thoughts.ramrajputhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09397670927644578433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1259981379968385023.post-4623714902969797612010-09-06T22:40:45.358-07:002010-09-06T22:40:45.358-07:00well written artical even i have exact view about ...well written artical even i have exact view about the religion. well done i think world need this kind of people.ramrajputhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09397670927644578433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1259981379968385023.post-86392514790769961552010-07-16T19:46:21.066-07:002010-07-16T19:46:21.066-07:00I am pleasantly surprised to see such thoughts com...I am pleasantly surprised to see such thoughts coming from Pakistan!. I thought they all think the same way when it comes to Allah. The religious mullahs and political setup use religion as a tool to control and exploit masses. Masses however are unaware of the plot and continue to look at the sky loosing the grounds..LowCasteSamyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08780943853103897290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1259981379968385023.post-73727438214612075292010-07-16T02:48:58.825-07:002010-07-16T02:48:58.825-07:00Great Article dude, i love the moral argument thes...Great Article dude, i love the moral argument these guys make and the fact that they associate Hitler, Stalin, Mao and all these goons with Atheism cracks me up as well.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12907030527042972918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1259981379968385023.post-61451814611663080652010-06-17T17:12:07.095-07:002010-06-17T17:12:07.095-07:00An interesting post. I'm going to follow you a...An interesting post. I'm going to follow you and keep up the good work.<br /><br />http://laughinginpurgatory.blogspot.com/2010/06/mormans-and-moral-blank-check.htmlAndrew Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01495983897864604830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1259981379968385023.post-11224087546975781932010-06-12T14:20:28.787-07:002010-06-12T14:20:28.787-07:00Rajiv it seems at times the guardians of morality,...Rajiv it seems at times the guardians of morality, the guardians of organized religion, have placed a line beyond which human reason shall not pass, after which human intellect shall not develop, above which human virtue shall not aspire. Whatever is beyond those lines is considered immoral, unethical, treason and what not. Atheists generally challenge these lines.<br /><br />The only thing we can do is try to make sure that common sense and reason prevails. Once someone told me the same thing "don’t corrupt others". I didn't say anything right then but an hour later when there was some news of Taliban on the TV i said "I am not the one who is corrupting people".Hazrat NaKhudahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11004881985056039388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1259981379968385023.post-56247720385155098272010-06-11T07:37:44.150-07:002010-06-11T07:37:44.150-07:00Its a well written and timely article. I guess thi...Its a well written and timely article. I guess this is one argument all so called 'Kfirs' have to face. I had my share of tiff with my father.I was silenced with 'do what you want but do not corrupt others!'I guess the only way to prove that we atheist are not rudderlessly drifting people is by practicing the good human values in our day to day life (ofcourse without the divine).I also looking forward to one book -The Moral Landscape: How Science Can Determine Human Values by Sam Harris, which I feel will certainly supplement your write-up.Thankyou!Rajivhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267173386135762185noreply@blogger.com